Curse

Masseur · May 29, 2007, 05:36 PM // 17:36

Equiping an UNID'd item should only be for viewing skin, it should not allow players to determine what mods, etc... are on the weapon before it's ID'd. There is a reason they are hiding it and making you use an ID kit to see the full capabilities of the item.

The only part of an UNID'd weapon a player should be able to tell is what is shown on the screen, req and dmg. Any inherent dmg mods, HP or other mods or inscriptions should not be able to be determined by equiping the item (and testing). So if the item has a HP+30 mod and I equip it, my HP shouldn't go up while it's UNID'd. Otherwise there is no purpose of ID'ing a weapon (purpose of Identifying is to make known what all the properties are), since it can be determined while it's still UNID'd.

This is just common sense and should be considered a bug that it allows you to know what the weapon is before ID'ing it. It also allows people to "scam" less knowledgeable players by selling an UNID'd item knowing it's crap, but leading them to believe it might be very nice. By "scam", I mean mislead intentionally.

ClanYumemiru · May 29, 2007, 05:43 PM // 17:43

/signed

This is something that's bugged me for a long time, and I really hope it gets fixed.

Does-it-Matter · May 29, 2007, 06:38 PM // 18:38

While I completely agree with you on the scamming issue, from a "realistic" (as realistic as the term can be used in a fantasy game) whether I _personally_ know the capabilities of an item or not, it would still work the same way.

After all, we are dealing with an "identification kit" not an "awakening kit" or some other sort of magical "on" switch for the item. An item still falls at a certain rate whether I can calculate its acceleration due to gravity or not.

But what about the scammers you say? Simple. Don't buy unidentified weapons. Unless of course you're trying to buy yourself the Wisdom title, and even then, go out and earn it, there are so many ways to get golds now.

Neonate · May 29, 2007, 07:48 PM // 19:48

/signed

this way the wisdom title will not be as easy to get (unids will cost more)

Twinsoul · May 29, 2007, 07:54 PM // 19:54

There is a simple solution to this that doesn't involve making mods "inactive". Just stop people from equipping unidentified items. If you're worried about freaking out RPers or something, just say "You can't equip the item because there is a chance it may be cursed." Simple, effective, and solves the problem.

Kaida the Heartless · May 29, 2007, 07:55 PM // 19:55

/not signed

There is really no reason to buy unid weapons unless you are going to a title, and it doesn't even really matter then.

/agree with Matter's post.

Masseur · May 29, 2007, 07:57 PM // 19:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twinsoul

There is a simple solution to this that doesn't involve making mods "inactive". Just stop people from equipping unidentified items. If you're worried about freaking out RPers or something, just say "You can't equip the item because there is a chance it may be cursed." Simple, effective, and solves the problem.

The problem with that is selling the item. If the person wants to see it, then you can't go out and equip it to show it to them. You'd have to point them to a website to see a picture of the skin or something.

MagmaRed · May 29, 2007, 08:05 PM // 20:05

The only reason there is to buy an item that is not IDed is to gain points for the Wisdom title. If you wanted a sword with 15^50, and bought one that was unIDed, why should the sword have any better chance to have it? Just because the seller may have run tests to determine it was +5 energy, or 15^stance, doesn't mean you have a reason to complain as a buyer.

Damage mod is the hardest to determine however, and the easy parts to figure out are easy to replace. Only issue I see a problem with is unIDed armor. Salvage a gold armor and have it survive. You now have an unIDed armor and unIDed rune. That is 2 points on the Wisdom title for you, butfor scammers, it is money. They then sell the armor (with no rune) and the buyer gets nothing out of it. Sure, they get their point towards Wisdom title, but no rune. Granted, they wouldn't know what rune they would get, but if they find a Superior Vigor or Death, they make some money.

I simply don't buy unIDed stuff, and don't see why people should. Only titles seekers should be doing so, and they know their risks.

/not signed

Diddy bow · May 29, 2007, 08:34 PM // 20:34

no real need to fix it really, why buy unid exept for the title? But making unid weaps uneqipable would fix it im sure.

Masseur · May 29, 2007, 10:46 PM // 22:46

You buy UNID'd items for the chance at getting a very nice item for much less than you would otherwise, title is secondary to most people. The seller is hoping you'll spend more on the chance at getting a better item. They might make more than if they ID it and it's not very good and then have to merchant it or sell for next to nothing.

I'm speaking of the general population of the game, not the title people and such.

But again, the point is, why are they UNID'd at all if you can see through that (to a point)? Why then not just drop ID'd already if you are not going to make it TRUELY UNID'd (not identifiable).

GreatLich · May 29, 2007, 11:01 PM // 23:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Masseur

You buy UNID'd items for the chance at getting a very nice item for much less than you would otherwise, title is secondary to most people. The seller is hoping you'll spend more on the chance at getting a better item. They might make more than if they ID it and it's not very good and then have to merchant it or sell for next to nothing.

No you don't, 'cause you know that the people selling unid'ed items tested for popular mods beforehand. you know you're gonna get 'crap'. And you're not buying them for the unlocks either... those you can get for free. If you buy unid'eds for the reason I emphasized you're setting yourself up for a scam.

ShadowsRequiem · May 29, 2007, 11:24 PM // 23:24

yah, I'm sure most people don't buy un-ided items for the sake of having a chance at getting a rare perfect item.. if they do, they're dumb or havent played the game much at all.

Every person u see spamming has tested mods on shields and weapons. The only reason people buy un-ided items is for the title.

IF you couldnt check them before selling then you'd see bunch of people spamming outrageous prices for unided items.

mikez himself · May 29, 2007, 11:31 PM // 23:31

fix the bug?

i was going to type out a long paragraph explaining how ridiculous this is, but i cant be arsed, its not a bug, it can be used to scam, but to be honest who actually buys stuff unid unless theyre going for the wisdom title; in which case they dont give a shit about the item they just want the number to count.

/not signed

pointless.

Masseur · May 30, 2007, 01:45 AM // 01:45

From all the off topic posts, I can see it's hard to comprehend the concept. So it's up to the developers to either do something with this suggestion or not. Titles of course have nothing to do with the issue.

The issue boils down to why have UNID'd weapons if you can get around it? Simple, nothing further. Either make them so they are truely unidentifiable or don't have UNID'd weapons anymore. But that's logic, can't always have that I suppose.

tenshi_strife · May 30, 2007, 01:49 AM // 01:49

why have them if you dont have to id them hum... idk do you want to spend 6 hours finding out if its 15^50 or 15 vs hexed foes..... i dont so i just id them.

iding is important cause its easy enough to find out what they do. if you want to spend all that time finding out what it does more power to ya but most of use dont. so this is not an issue....

in fact i would be ticked off if they did change this cause then all your doing is narrowing options and making the game way to liner to be fun to play...

MagmaRed · Jun 06, 2007, 03:13 PM // 15:13

That will be a long wait. A VERY long wait.

Masseur · Jun 07, 2007, 02:20 PM // 14:20

<tapping foot> still waiting

Thomas.knbk · Jun 07, 2007, 02:54 PM // 14:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by tenshi_strife

why have them if you dont have to id them hum... idk do you want to spend 6 hours finding out if its 15^50 or 15 vs hexed foes..... i dont so i just id them.

wild blow is win

ibex333 · Jun 07, 2007, 03:12 PM // 15:12

@OP

It's a bit too late for this now... The prices on most items are already destroyed. The market is down... Ecto is practically worthless... A Dwarwen Axe with 15^50 can be bought for 100k+20ecto or lower....I cant sell a perfect req 11 Mursaat hammer for more than 70k, when it's "real" price always was at least double that.... Need I say more?

Even if what you want was done, it would no longer make any big difference.

Most importantly, I don't think it can be done at all since they'd pretty much have to redo half of the game code to stop the testing of items.

I think it's good that you can test items because selling unided junk is a scam. And anyone who buys unided crap is a noob unless they are doing it for wisdom title. I dont sell unided crap anymore, but when I did, every time I sold something unided, I told my buyer he was a nub, so that he feels stupid, and angry. He will then learn his lesson and there's a good chance he wont buy unided crap again. (making the guild wars community a better place, one less nub at a time)

tenshi_strife · Jun 07, 2007, 04:50 PM // 16:50

only problem with your "helping" ibex is your making a profit off it hum.....